![]() Pull up the statistical data put out in December 2014 of what the average rate, and top pay rates are in the U.S for Auto mechanics and where their projected jobs are headed. It's clear at least to me Mitchell's is only a guideline especially when it comes to that "flag hour" pay scale. So much controversy over rates has been caused with Mitchell's and All Data that even NAPA has started giving projected rates on their website for jobs and zip codes. There are many other on-line sources as well for determining rates. ![]() I appreciate that Dave I think it's clear though those are guidelines that's all they are. I have nothing but respect for you though I might disagree. It's good regardless, your one of my favorite contributing Master Mechs, along with Josh, and Dave. Just realize that you are speaking to someone just like yourself who knows this industry. Not everyone can do what we can with cars, not everyone was called to. I can ask but I'm pretty sure about it.Įither way, I like you, I think your smart but I'm going to agree to disagree. Would you believe it though my dad still turns wrenches after over 30 years, still working in a shop? He's damn good at it, it's what he knows but he doesn't get raises everyday for finishing quicker. There is a reason I turn wrenches on the side and own my own business to make money. I don't understand the work environment you are speaking about please tell me more about it. I understand what hard work means getting paid shitty wages regardless of how fast you work. Thankfully, I don't have the over head of a shop because I own my own business doing other things but I was raised by a Master Mechanic that had four kids total so I do understand how the bleed down works. There are tons of incentive for the person who owns the business but if you are saying that what makes that mechanic better is he gets paid more because he's faster maybe I am way off the mark. So no there's no incentive there for him to finish that job sooner, of course he can with experience. He's going to be pushed to finish that 2.5 hour job in 30 minutes because the boss has something else for him to do. He's paid that nice $25-50 hourly wage he was hired for regardless depending on what or where he's working. ![]() Let's be clear, there is no reason for a mechanic working in a shop to rush at all because the list price charged for parts, the disposal fees, and the $150 hourly rates don't bleed down to him. okay so the book rates aren't based on an average mechanic then? I'm pretty certain book rates aren't factoring in modern tools and the various speeds that can be obtained by using them, and the various aptitudes of the mechanics using them but lets leave that for the moment. It would keep me awake at night if even on minimum wage I did a shitty job, or felt the car that just left would be on the side of the road in an hour. For me it's a gift, a calling, some people sing, some people run numbers, I take stuff apart and put it together. This is a separate conversation but I am pretty certain I would attempt to be the best mechanic regardless of what I was paid. I tend to disagree that if you charged actual hours there's less of an incentive to master the craft. Flat rate (actual hours to me) or book hours. How many shops bring that up when you walk your car in the front doors? So like all car repairs it depends on the shop or what they truly want to charge. ![]() When the book hours were written they also weren't written with air impacts, air ratchets, Lithium Ion Brushless tools, etc. If someone came to me, no offense with a hee-haw job, like a reservoir tank I would charge a flat rate or what I honestly project it would take. Maybe I misspoke by calling it actual hours, but to me that's what it is because I know how long it actually takes, I will charge a flat rate. For instance brake pads, rotors, etc., depending on the job. Jason, I think what I was getting at is I just charge a flat labor rate for something's.
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